ISTP Men in Relationships: Define All Right

Contents
  1. What a Widower's Garage Looks Like
  2. The Governor Test
  3. Nine Weeks
  4. Chet Wroblewski's Dining Room
  5. The Drive Home
  6. What Zaleski Told Me
  7. Nine Dollars for the Box
  8. Define All Right
ISTP men in relationships — the Virtuoso

The thing about an ISTP man is that he will not come apart, and you will price that. You will decide it means he would be fine without you, and you will be right, and being right about it will teach you nothing, because you have been running the wrong test on the wrong equipment for years.


“If I died,” I said, “how long before you were all right?”

Deke thought about it. That is the part nobody believes when I tell it. He did not flinch and he did not laugh it off and he did not say don’t talk like that. He put down what he had in his hands and he thought about it, the way he thinks about a call that came in wrong.

“Define all right.”

We were nine years married at that point, in a kitchen in Kaisertown with the back door open. I had asked him because I had been reading a thing about widowers and because I wanted, for one minute, to be told I was not replaceable, and what I got was a request for a specification.

I gave up and made supper, and by that winter I had it worn down to one line I could say at my sister’s table. He’d survive losing me. That’s the problem.

It landed. It landed for seventeen years.

I have run that sentence at tables for a long time and it always got the same thing back, which was women nodding, because every one of them has a version. Mine had a specific gravity to it that I did not examine for a very long while, which is that it made my husband the one with the deficiency and me the one being short-changed, and it did that without me ever having to produce any evidence beyond a shrug I did not like the look of.

Deke Kaminski has been in elevators since he was twenty-one. Apprentice, then mechanic, and for the last twenty years he adjusts, which is the part of the trade where you make a car stop level and start smooth and ride like nothing is happening. He can hear a bad door operator from the lobby. He does not raise his voice and he has never once raised it at me, and I have given him reasons. He is the calmest man in any room where something has gone wrong, and the least present in any room where nothing has.

In 2011 I left him for nine weeks and took our son with me, and I told everybody it was about my mother’s house, and my sister Marlene lied for me the entire time.

What a Widower’s Garage Looks Like

I clear out houses. Estate sales, downsizes, the ones where nobody is coming to get anything.

Twenty-three years of it. I started with Marlene out of a minivan and a rented dolly and she quit after two years and I did not. Now it is two guys and a box truck and a permit, and about forty houses a year, mostly the east side and the first ring, doubles and bungalows with a hundred years in them. I price a room in about ninety seconds and I am within ten percent of what it brings, and the way I do it is that I do not look at the parlor. Anybody can stage a parlor. I go to the garage and the drawer next to the stove, because those are the two places in a house that never once got tidied for company, and everything true about a household is in one or the other.

The work is not what people think. It is eighty percent hauling and paperwork and standing in a driveway in the cold with a woman who has just realized that her mother’s dining set is worth two hundred dollars and not two thousand, and how you say that sentence is the whole of whether she lets you finish the job. The rest of it is knowing what a thing brings in this county in this month, which is a different number from what it is worth and a different number again from what it brings two counties over.

Here is a thing I know from doing it: you can tell, walking into a garage, whether the man who lived there had a woman who liked him.

I do not mean loved. Liked. The tools are put up different. There is a chair in there. And I can also tell, and this is the part I want down, which widowers had somebody and which ones had somebody and did not know it, because the ones who did not know it kept everything and the ones who did kept almost nothing and are calm about it and hand you the key.

You also learn what people cannot throw out, and it is never what they say. It is not the wedding album. It is a drawer of keys to doors that no longer exist. Every house has one and I have never once been able to sell it.

I have been in four houses where somebody died in the room I was pricing, and it does not bother me the way people expect and I have stopped explaining that at parties.

Sal has been at my sales since 2009. He buys smalls: costume jewelry, Buffalo pottery, anything with a brewery on it, and he pays in fifties and he is there at six in the morning in the dark in a lawn chair. In fifteen years I have learned that his wife has a bad hip, that he had a store on Seneca and lost it, and that he will not buy anything out of a bedroom, and I have never asked him one direct question in my life and neither has he asked me.

The Governor Test

Every car in this country gets a test once a year that nobody riding in it has any idea about.

He tried to explain the trade to me once with a coffee cup and a piece of string on the table and gave up in about ninety seconds, not out of impatience but because he could see it was not landing, and that is the whole of his teaching style and it is why he has had two apprentices and both of them are good.

There is a device in the machine room called a governor, on a rope of its own, and if a car goes too fast the governor grabs and yanks a set of jaws underneath the car that clamp onto the rails and stop the whole thing dead. Once a year you have to prove it works. So you load the car, you run it at speed, you trip the governor on purpose, and the safeties bite and the car stops, and then you go down and look at the rails and see what the jaws left.

Somebody rides it. Not always, and not everywhere, but the way Deke’s outfit does it, somebody is in that car when it goes.

The rest of it is fault-finding, which is what he is actually built for. A car does something wrong once a week at four in the afternoon and nobody can reproduce it, and the building wants it fixed by tomorrow, and Deke will go and sit in that machine room with a meter and a coffee and let the thing be wrong at him until he understands it. He has told me, in the flattest voice you ever heard, that this is the best part of his life.

He has done that test for thirty years. Twice he has found one that did not set right, which is the entire point of the exercise and is also the sentence I could not get out of my head for a week when he first told me, in the same voice he uses for the mileage on the van.

What this town says about a man like that is that he is solid. He’s a rock. Everybody in three streets has his number and he has been under everybody’s sink, and no one has ever, in my hearing, wondered aloud whether he is happy, because solid is a thing you are for other people and it does not come with an inside. Put that same quiet in a woman and the word changes. Nobody calls her solid. They say there is a room in her you cannot get into, and the charge is not indifference at all, it is concealment, and that charge has its own piece.

I did not want him to be less solid. What I wanted was for the solid to have a crack in it that had my shape.

Nine Weeks

I have put off writing this paragraph for a month, and the version I have told people for fifteen years is that I went to help my mother sell her house, which is true, and which is not why I went.

I went to find out.

I want to be precise about the reason, since precision is the whole subject of this piece. It was not another man and it was not money and there had been no fight worth the name. I had been carrying a sentence around for five years and I could not test it from inside the house, and I am the kind of person who, when she cannot price a thing from the doorway, goes in.

Vin was twelve. I told him it was a summer at Grandma’s and he did the drive down without asking me anything, which I took as a good sign and which I now think was a twelve-year-old reading his mother’s face and deciding not to make it worse. Marlene told Deke I was overwhelmed. I called Deke every few days and he was fine on the phone. He asked about the car. He asked whether the porch on my mother’s had frost damage under it or just paint, and when I said I did not know he told me how to find out.

My mother’s house did not sell that summer and did not sell the next one either, and I painted the porch and got two estimates on the roof and sat on that porch in the evenings running the same arithmetic I had driven down there to run. He was fine. He was fine on the phone in a way that I logged, every few days, like readings off a gauge. What I could not do from five hundred miles away was the thing I do for a living, which is go into the garage and look.

Nine weeks. I came back on an overnight drive and let myself in at midnight and the house was clean and the dishwasher was running and there was a light on over the stove.

He came down and stood in the kitchen doorway.

“Your mother sell it?”

“Not yet.”

“You eat?”

That is all of it. That is what happened when I came home, and I have held it against a man for fifteen years like a receipt in a shoebox.

Vin does not remember that summer the way I do. He has said so exactly once, at twenty-four, in a car, and then he changed the subject, and I did not chase it, and I will not be the one to bring it up.

Chet Wroblewski’s Dining Room

In the fall of 2019 I took a job in Lovejoy for a man named Chet Wroblewski, eighty-one, selling out and going to his daughter’s in another state. His wife had been dead two years. He had called me three separate times before the sale about whether the chest freezer should be in it, and had come to a different answer each time, and I had let him.

That was a good house to work. Everything labeled, the basement swept, a card table set up with the things he wanted his daughter to see. He had already done the hard half himself, which about one client in ten does, and the ones who do it are never the ones you expect.

There was a china cabinet in that dining room, built in, that a buyer wanted out whole, and I could not do it with the guys I had, so Deke came over on his morning off with the good bar and the straps.

Chet stood in the doorway and watched two people take his wife’s cabinet off the wall.

He had a cardigan on in a warm house and his hands in the pockets of it and he did not offer to help, which I appreciated, because the ones who offer end up in the way and then feel worse.

He was not upset. That is the thing about that house. He handed me the key at the start and he had already gone through everything once and he was calm the way you are calm when you have been doing the arithmetic for two years and it has stopped changing.

It came out easier than it had any right to. Deke found the fasteners in about a minute by tapping along the stile with one knuckle, and I have watched him do that in a dozen kitchens and have never once asked him what he is listening for.

Deke had the base off and was on one knee going at the anchors, and Chet said, out of nowhere, “Thirty-one years I had her. You?”

“Twenty,” Deke said.

“You got a plan for it?”

Deke did not look up. “For what.”

“For after.” Chet nodded at me, standing there with a clipboard in a stranger’s dining room. “For if it’s her first.”

And my husband, who has never in twenty-seven years volunteered one word about any of this, answered a specific question the way he answers specific questions.

“The stair rail’s through-bolted into the stringer now, not the drywall, because she carries out of second floors. Her van’s on my schedule, not the shop’s, and it gets done before mine does. The list of who to call for the truck is on the inside of the panel door and it’s in her handwriting because she’d trust it. The mortgage is one signature. I don’t keep anything in an account she can’t get into, and she knows the password because I made her put it in herself, twice, a year apart, so she’d have entered it and not just been told it.”

He got the last anchor and set it in his palm.

“She’d be all right in about eleven days on the paperwork and the rest of it isn’t a plan,” he said. “That part I don’t have.”

Chet said, “Nobody does.”

Then the two of them walked the cabinet out the front door and down the steps and I stood in that dining room and wrote a number on a clipboard for a lamp.

The Drive Home

We took Seneca back because he wanted to look at a building.

I asked him when he did the stair rail. He said the summer the deck went in. I asked which summer that was and he said he would have to look at the receipt.

I asked why he never told me any of it and he said, “You never asked me what I’d done to the house.”

I said that was not the same thing.

“No,” he said, and put his blinker on.

He pointed out a hoist beam on a warehouse on the left that he said was original, and I said it was nice, and we drove the rest of it with the radio going.

What Zaleski Told Me

I understood none of it at the time. What I did over the next eight months was try to get one sentence out of that man, and there is no telling of it that comes out looking like anything other than what it was.

I asked him constantly and I got worse at it. I asked him at bedtime and in the car and one time standing in his sister’s driveway. I would set it up so there was only one thing he could say and he would find the fourth thing and say that. In the spring I said the sentence I would give back if giving back were a thing you could do. I said he had not come after me in 2011 because he had already run the numbers on being fine without me and had liked the answer.

He was at the sink. He said, “That’s not what happened,” and he said it evenly, and then he went out to the garage and stayed out there until I went up.

So I went around him.

That is a thing I did on purpose, in the daylight, with a phone, and I had to look up the number.

Walt Zaleski has worked with Deke since 1998 and I have known him almost as long, and I called him and asked him what my husband had been like those nine weeks in 2011, and Walt was quiet for a second because Walt is not stupid.

“He came in,” he said.

I said I knew he came in.

“No. He took every night call there was for two months. Every one. He’d be down in a pit at three in the morning with a light in his teeth looking at a selector that was fine.” Walt stopped. “I told him twice it was fine.”

I asked whether Deke had said anything about it and Walt said no. I asked whether anybody at the shop had known and Walt said they had all known by the second week, because a man taking every call is a thing a crew notices inside of ten days, and nobody had said a word to him about it either, which is apparently what men do.

I said thank you and hung up and stood in my own kitchen and did not have anywhere to put that, and I have not told Deke I made that call, and Walt has not either, and that is now a thing three people know and two of us are pretending we don’t.

Nine Dollars for the Box

In the winter of 2021 I cleared the office of a woman named Behnke who had done hiring work for one of the plants and then for the county and had died at ninety-one with two rooms of it still in her house.

Boxes of it. Manuals, keys, answer sheets, a filing cabinet of things that should probably have been shredded in 1988. I price a box by opening it and taking one thing out and deciding from the one thing what the box is, which is how you have to work if you want to eat, and the thing I took out of that box was a booklet about the sixteen personality types with a coffee ring on the front.

I sat down on the floor of a dead woman’s office and read it for forty minutes with a truck idling out front and two guys getting paid to wait on me.

The paragraphs in it were not good. They were the kind of writing that flatters everybody a little, which is how those things get sold. But there was a page in the back with the machinery on it, and the machinery was not flattering anybody, and it was the first thing I had read in seventeen years that was describing the man I actually live with instead of a man who is bad at feelings.

The letters are habits with an order to them, and whichever one is first is where most of his hours go. His is a private working model of how things go together. It is not knowledge and it is not opinion; it is a structure he keeps in there, that he is always quietly adjusting against whatever he just saw, and its whole business is being correct, which means it does not go out unfinished. Ask him a fuzzy question and it has nothing to hand you, because there is nothing in it shaped like that. Ask him a question with an edge on it and it will hand you the exact article and nothing else.

Under it sits the one that lives in the present tense and in the body. Hands, rails, a bar, a pit at three in the morning. Whatever is actually in front of him, at full volume, and nothing at all from any other room.

The order the habits sit in gets covered on the type’s page, and I have been back at it a good deal since.

Which is when I understood that for seventeen years I had been walking up to a man and saying do you love me, and getting back a true answer with nothing on it, and reading the nothing.

I went back through it that night the way you go back through a house you have already priced, when something in the garage has told you that you got the whole thing wrong.

The kitchen in Kaisertown first. Define all right. Not a dodge and not cruelty. He had been handed a question with no edges on it and he was asking for the edges, and I had heard a man declining to be moved.

The phone calls from my mother’s. Frost damage or paint. A man with nothing to work on, working on the only thing anybody had put in front of him.

Then Chet’s dining room, and the through-bolted stringer, and a van that goes in before his truck does. Seven years of somebody working on my safety in a house where I was keeping a tally of how little he seemed to need me.

Then the eleven days on the paperwork, and the sentence that came after it, which I did not touch that night and did not touch for a good while.

The booklet was straight about its own limits, and I read that part twice, because I price things for a living and the first question about any lot is what it will bear.

One retest exists. The same people sat it again four weeks on; the pooled group was four hundred twenty-four, out of three studies. Two in three matched all the way across. Twenty-eight out of a hundred moved a single letter, six out of a hundred moved two. The scored numbers underneath repeat much more reliably than the labels do. That is worth knowing and it is the part nobody carries around.

The national survey from 1998, three thousand nine respondents deep, put this at eighty-five men per thousand and twenty-four women per thousand. Three and a half of him for every one of her, which is why every man on my street who cannot be got at is taken for the same man.

I got nine dollars for that box. I sold it with the manuals in a lot of four and I did not keep the booklet, because I do not keep things, which is a whole other conversation.

Define All Right

Now the careful part, because all of this can be read in a way that lets a man off who should not be let off.

Two things are true and I want them in the same paragraph so nobody can carry off just the one. Not coming apart is not the same as not caring. And a man who never gives you a sentence has put you on inference for the length of your marriage, which is expensive, and I have paid for twenty-seven years of it, and nobody gets to tell me that bill was imaginary.

So: change the question. Do you love me has no edge on it, and an edge is the only thing he can grip. Ask him what he changed in the house. Ask him what he checks. Ask him, in order, what he would do on the worst night at three in the morning. Specifics that you did not know about and can go out to the garage and verify mean you have been living inside a language nobody taught you to hear, and that fault is at both ends and the work is worth the doing. Nothing back, at any resolution, year after year, in a house with none of you in it, that is not a temperament, and no write-up of anybody’s habits is an argument against what you can see with your own eyes. Turn the two of us around and it reads the same.

The part I have not solved is that he cannot say it badly.

I can ask well now. I have gotten good at it and I get answers, and every one of them is true and every one of them is exact, and not one of them is the sentence. Because the sentence I have wanted since a kitchen in Kaisertown is by its nature a sloppy one. I would not survive it. That is not true of him and he will not say a thing that is not true, and there is no question precise enough to produce an imprecise answer, and I am fifty-four, and I have landed on preferring a man who cannot lie to a man who could have said it that night and meant it as far as the end of the sentence.

I have landed there. I have not finished landing there.

What I have got instead of the sentence is an inventory, and I add to it now the way you add to a manifest. The rail. The van. The panel door. A pressure tank I can change. It is not nothing and it is not what I asked for and both of those are permanent.

Vin is twenty-seven and works in Depew and calls his father about cars. Chet Wroblewski sent a card the first year from his daughter’s place and nothing after that, and whether he is still living is not something I have found a decent way to check. I have never told Deke about the call to Walt.

Marlene knows all of it and has never once said the obvious thing to me, which I did not earn.

Last month I asked him, in the garage, what he would want me to be able to do that I cannot do now.

He said, “Change the pressure tank.”

I asked whether that was really the answer or whether it was the thing nearest to hand, and he said both, and that the both was not a dodge, because the tank is the thing in this house most likely to go while he is on a call and most likely to take the ceiling with it.

I said that was not what I meant, and he said he knew it wasn’t, and then he went and got the two wrenches and put one of them in my hand, and we were out there until it got dark.


The people in these essays are composites drawn from long observation. The theory is not.

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