INFJ Men in Relationships: The Frames I Chose

Contents
  1. Frames I Chose
  2. The Third Voice in the Room
  3. The Intake Form
  4. A Father Who Didn't Ask
  5. Three Weeks
  6. The Same Hall
INFJ men in relationships — the Advocate

An INFJ husband gives off almost no signal. The process runs, it runs on you, and it hands over nothing anybody can watch, so the room reaches for the nearest word it has, and every word it has is a word about absence. I took the nearest word and used it in front of a professional for a year.


At Dinora’s seventieth we had a hall off the feeder road, ninety people, a sheet pan of pupusas coming out every twenty minutes and a rented speaker nobody could turn down. Nelson had been standing by the drink table for an hour with a plastic cup of nothing while three cousins talked at him about a truck.

His mother came and stood next to me and watched him the way you watch weather.

“He’s here and he’s not here,” she said. “Since he was a boy. He’s somewhere behind the eyes.”

I said something agreeable. She patted my arm and went to deal with the speaker.

That sentence was a gift and I took delivery of it. It explained a thing I had been failing to explain to myself for six years, it came from the person with the longest data set on him, and it had the shape of a diagnosis, which is a shape I am trained to find restful. I did not check it against anything. I repeated it to my sister within the month, and to two friends by that summer, and I got better at saying it every time, because the version with behind the eyes in it always landed and the version without it took two sentences.

Marquita, who I swim with and who has met him maybe nine times, still asks after him in the voice people use about somebody’s condition. I built that voice. I handed her the sentence in a parking lot in about 2014 and she has been carrying it politely ever since.

Nelson Argueta is a staff interpreter at the children’s hospital, Spanish, certified, and has been since 2013. Before that he did asylum work for a nonprofit on Gessner for six years, which he does not talk about and which took something out of him that has not come back. He is the slowest talker I have ever loved. He goes quiet in the middle of a conversation and returns forty seconds later with the answer to a question nobody asked out loud. He can sit in a car for two hours without the radio on. He will not tell you what he thinks of your friends, and then one day you find out he has thought about your friends for a year and the file is closed.

I scan people for a living. Breast and general, at the imaging center, since 2003.

Here is the part I would rather skip over. Between 2018 and 2019 the two of us sat on a couch in an office on the west side, once a week for most of a year, and I said that sentence in front of a licensed professional inside the first ten minutes and she wrote it on a legal pad, and it became the frame the whole year got built on. Nelson sat there and let it be the frame. He is a man whose entire trade is fidelity to what a room is saying, and the room said he was absent, so he took the room’s reading of himself and went to work on it.

It was a hundred and forty dollars a session, and I made every appointment.

Frames I Chose

The machine does not produce a picture. It produces a returning sound and a guess about how long the sound took to come back.

What I do is sweep. Transverse and then sagittal, top down, every field of view overlapping the last, no gaps, because the thing I miss will be in the gap. I take measurements. I take stills. I take short clips. Then I choose. The radiologist who reads that study will never see the ninety seconds of my sweep. He gets the eleven frames I picked out of it.

That is the job, and nobody outside a reading room knows it. Two techs can scan the same woman on the same afternoon and hand the same radiologist two different studies, both of them honest, and the difference is not skill, it is which second of the sweep each of us decided was the one worth keeping.

The other half of the job is knowing something and not saying it. A woman is lying on my table with her arm up over her head, watching my face and not the screen, because they always watch the face. There is a mass on my monitor with an angry margin and it is taller than it is wide, which is a thing benign lumps do not usually do. She says, is everything okay. I say the radiologist will read it and your doctor will call you. I have said that sentence a few thousand times. There is a way to say it that is warm and gives away nothing at all, and I got good at it in my second year, and until recently I had never once considered it a personality trait.

A report, when it finally goes out, is four or five lines. Location, size in three dimensions, echo pattern, margin, orientation, and a number at the bottom that tells the ordering physician what to do next. Everything else is left out. The ninety seconds, the frames I threw away, the woman’s face, the fact that she asked me about the weather twice on the way in because she already knew. None of that is in the document, and the document is the only part of it that exists a year later.

Twenty-three years of this, and what it builds is not discretion at all. It builds comfort. I am extremely comfortable holding a thing you would want to know.

I swim at a city pool at five in the morning, most mornings, and have since 2009. Twenty-five yards, outdoors, open through the winter on a boiler that is always three weeks from failing, and the same eleven or twelve of us are in it in the dark. We know each other’s stroke and almost nothing else. Ipsen has had the middle lane since before I got there. He is somewhere past seventy and swims a flat slow backstroke with his eyes shut, and in 2019 a young guy in a tech suit started getting in on top of him without asking, and the political situation that developed over the next several months involved a petition, two lifeguards, and eventually the parks department, and Ipsen never said one word to the young guy directly the whole time. He won. The young guy swims at the Y now. I do not know what Ipsen does or did for a living, or whether anybody is waiting for him at home, or his first name. I would go to his funeral.

The Third Voice in the Room

Nelson’s job has a rule in it that people find hard to believe when he explains it at a table.

He speaks in the first person. When the mother says mi hijo no ha comido en dos días, he says, in English, my son hasn’t eaten in two days. Not she says her son hasn’t eaten. He is not a narrator. He is a voice with the pronouns left intact, and the two other people are supposed to talk to each other and look at each other and forget he is standing there, and that is the standard he is measured against.

He interprets everything said in that room. If the family says something to each other in Spanish while the doctor is standing right there, it gets interpreted, and he tells them at the start that it will, so they can decide what to say in front of him. Nothing gets added. Nothing gets left out, including the part where the attending loses the thread. He is not permitted to explain, he is barely permitted to help, and the line between clarifying a term and putting his own hand on the outcome is a line he can talk about for an hour and does not cross, including on the nights when the family is going under in front of him.

He has stood in a room and said, in the first person, with the pronouns intact, that there is nothing more we can do.

I asked him once how he does that part. We were washing dishes.

“It isn’t mine,” he said. “That’s the whole thing. It goes through and it isn’t mine.”

“That can’t be true.”

“It’s true while I’m doing it,” he said, and handed me a plate.

The asylum years were worse and I only know four or five things about them. One of the things I know is that he interpreted a woman’s account of what happened to her over three sessions in a windowless room on Gessner, and that the case was denied, and that he found out by mail because he was not a party to anything. He told me that in 2014, once, in the car, and has not mentioned it since, and I have decided not to ask him for the rest of it.

I want to be exact about what a city does with a man like that, because it is not one thing. Inside the hospital he is beloved in the specific way you are beloved when nobody has to think about you. He is so good with families. He gets requested by name. The same attendings who request him will talk across him in a hallway like he is equipment. Outside the hospital the readings get worse, because quiet in a man is not treated as neutral, it is treated as aimed at somebody. My own sister asked me twice whether he was depressed and once, in a parking lot, whether there was somebody else. Neither question is cruel. Both are guesses about where the missing part of him went, and both take for granted that a part is missing.

The same interior in a woman does not get read as absence at all. It comes back as presumption, meaning she has decided what you are and is waiting for you to catch up, and what that costs is a separate piece, and I am glad I do not have to write it.

In fifteen years nobody has ever suggested to me that my husband might simply be occupied.

The Intake Form

You fill out the form in the waiting room. There is a box on the second page that says, in your own words, what brings you here.

I wrote: He’s never fully here. He lives somewhere behind his eyes.

I have the copy. I requested our records in 2023 for a reason that had nothing to do with any of this, and there it is in my own handwriting, and the handwriting is calm.

Dowd took it and built on it, which was reasonable, because it was the only material either of us handed her. Nelson answered every question she asked and volunteered nothing, and she read that as guardedness, and so did I, and the two of us were the only people in the room and we agreed with each other.

“Where do you go?” she asked him once. “When you go.”

He thought about it for a while, which by then we had both learned to read as evasion.

“I’m not going anywhere,” he said.

“Then help us understand what it feels like from inside.”

“It doesn’t feel like anything,” he said. “It’s just running.”

It embarrassed me to hear it. What I thought, sitting on that couch, was that a man who has been asked a direct question about his own interior and produces it’s just running is declining to work in front of somebody we were paying by the hour.

By the fourth session we had a working model of my husband. A man who withdraws. Unavailable. Needs to learn to stay in contact. There were exercises. There was a phrase, coming back into the room, that I still cannot hear without my jaw setting.

Here is what he did with it. He is a man under a professional obligation to render the room’s message faithfully, and the room’s message was that he was absent, so for about a year he performed presence. He asked follow-up questions in the voice you use on a patient. He would put his phone face down and make a small event out of putting it down. He came and found me in the kitchen one evening in the spring to say that he wanted to check in with me, and I stood there watching my husband run a protocol on his wife, and I hated it in a way I could not have defended out loud and did not mention to Dowd.

He got thinner that year. He stopped sleeping right and moved to the early shift because he was up anyway. I noticed both. I filed both under progress.

We stopped in the fall of 2019, and the way we stopped was that Dowd said we had made real gains and asked whether we wanted to keep meeting, and I looked at Nelson and Nelson looked at Dowd and said thank you, this has been valuable. In the elevator I said I was proud of us. He said, “Good,” and looked at the numbers going down, and I took that for tiredness, and we went and got food, and neither of us mentioned that office again for six years.

And I have to put the other thing in here, because without it this reads as a woman being unfair to herself, and that is its own kind of lie.

In 2016 he cut off his brother. Wilber had done something. There is a version involving money and a version involving Dinora and I have never gotten the whole shape of it out of anybody. Nelson thought about it, by himself, from somewhere in the spring through the fall, and then one evening he told me it was done. Not that he was weighing it. Done, decided, executed, and the tone was the tone of a man giving you the forecast. I liked Wilber. I had a whole set of people through Wilber, and I lost most of them. I asked him to walk me through it and what I got was three sentences, every one of them true and not one of them the reasoning, and when I pushed he said, “I’ve been over it.” Ten years on I have never met the reasoning and I never will. That is not a communication problem. That is a verdict handed down from a proceeding nobody told me was underway, and I have never accepted it and I have no plans to.

Dinora still sets a place for Wilber at the birthdays. Nobody says anything about it.

A Father Who Didn’t Ask

In 2023 we were eating standing up at the counter and he told me about a father in a room that day. No name, no unit, no detail you could trace to a human being, which is how he tells me anything at all.

The team had spent forty minutes on a treatment decision and the father had not asked one question, and they came out of that room saying the father did not understand it or did not care about it.

“He understood,” Nelson said. “He’d decided about eight minutes in. Then he sat there and let them finish, because they needed to finish.” He ate for a bit. “It’s one of the ones that runs on a stored file. Or it’s the other one, the,” and he said the four letters. “Same as me. You sit through the whole hour to see whether anything in it is going to move you, and then you tell them at the end, and everybody thinks the answer came out of nowhere.”

He said it about a stranger, in the middle of chewing, and went back to his food.

I stood there with a fork in my hand and said nothing, which is what I do. That is my professional deformity and I have never once named it in front of him.

I looked it up over the following month, in the mornings, the way I read anything, which is from the outside in and mainly hunting for the thing that is not there.

The letters stand for habits ranked by how much of the day each one owns. The habit that owns most of my husband’s day is a single slow convergence. Not a search and not a series of thoughts; an accretion, running on whatever is in front of it whether or not he assigned it, producing at the end a conclusion with the work not attached. He cannot show you the loop. He can show you the report. There is a page that lays the whole order of it out, and I read that page in a parking garage with the engine running.

The second habit is aimed at people and it is a live meter. He is reading the condition of everyone in a room continuously and adjusting to it, which is why he is the one they want in the worst rooms in that building, and why a hall with ninety people in it costs him something you can see in his shoulders by hour two.

Then I went looking for the number, because with me it always comes down to the number.

In the 1998 national sample, three thousand and nine people, this is the least common of the sixteen personality types: fifteen in a thousand overall, and thirteen in a thousand among men. Something on the order of one man in seventy-five.

That is the part I keep coming back to. There is no folk category for one man in seventy-five. There is no uncle everybody has who is like this, no character on television, no shorthand. So when my sister stands in a parking lot needing a word for my husband, the words on the shelf are depressed, cold, checked out, somebody else. She is not being unkind. She is being efficient with the vocabulary she was issued, and so was Dinora, and so was I.

I read the limits before I read anything else, because that is the order I read things in, and because a number that will not repeat is not a number. Somebody retested this once. Same people, a second sitting four weeks later, four hundred and twenty-four subjects pooled out of three studies. All of the letters matched for sixty-five percent of them. Twenty-eight percent had one letter come out different. A measurement that reproduces at sixty-five percent does not go into a report in my department, and I have refused to send studies over less. The continuous scores underneath agree with themselves considerably better than the label does, which tells you what the label is. It is a convenience. It is a durable and useful one and it is not the same object as the thing it is sitting on.

Three things moved while I was reading, in the garage, with the car running.

The forty seconds first. He is not gone during the forty seconds. That is a loop running with no output, and I have stood in front of a man mid-study and called the screen blank because I could not see what was on it.

Then the hall. Ninety people is not a party to him, it is ninety live channels with no way to mute any of them, and he stood at that drink table for an hour because the drink table was the only spot in that building with a wall behind it.

Then Dowd’s office. A man who takes the room’s reading as his working copy, sitting for a year in a room whose entire product was a reading of him. He was not resisting the process. He was doing the process, on himself, with our material, and it was wrong material.

I have wondered since what a year of that costs a person and I have not asked him, and I notice that I frame the not-asking as consideration.

I did not touch Wilber. I got to the edge of Wilber and closed the browser and drove to work.

Three Weeks

In the spring of last year I got called back off a screening mammogram.

The diagnostic ultrasound was done by a girl I trained myself, in my own department, on a machine I have complained about in writing. She is good. She swept it correctly and she held the still a beat longer than the image required, and I watched the screen, because no version of me exists that does not watch a screen.

Hypoechoic. Irregular margin. Taller than wide.

She said the radiologist would read it and my doctor would call me. She said it warmly and gave away nothing, and I could hear my own second year coming out of her mouth.

It came back a category four, which means somebody has to put a needle in it. The soonest they could get me on the schedule for the core biopsy was seventeen days out, and then pathology on top of that, and I knew every number along that pathway and every single one of them made it worse instead of better.

I did not tell Nelson what I had seen on the screen. I told him about the callback and the date of the appointment and I let the rest of it stay the radiologist’s to say, and I have a professional justification for that which is airtight and which I will not be setting down here.

For nineteen days he did not say one word about it. He made supper. He went to work. Twice he came home with the specific bread I like from the place that is not on his way, and I registered that and did nothing with it. He asked me nothing, and I built a case in my head out of that silence at the speed of a woman who has been building the same case since a birthday party in a rented hall.

By the second week I had gotten as far as deciding that if the biopsy went badly I would be doing it by myself, and I had begun, in a low background way, to make arrangements for that in my head.

The morning of the biopsy we were in the truck on the third level of the garage and I had not slept, and I said, are you even here for this. I said it badly and I said it loudly. I said, you have been somewhere else for three weeks and I would like to know where.

He put both hands on the wheel.

“You stopped swimming on the twenty-second,” he said. “You’ve been taking the stairs at the center since the week of the callback. That’s six flights and you hate the stairs, and the elevator goes past imaging. You called your sister twice in one week and you don’t do that. You’ve been sleeping on top of the sheet. On the ninth your mother asked you a general question and you told her we were fine, and you have never volunteered that sentence to her in your life.”

He gave the dates flat, the way he gives everything.

“I’ve been going since the callback,” he said.

I asked him why he had not said anything.

“Because you get to be the one who says it,” he said. “And you hadn’t said it.”

Then it was seven-fifteen and we went in, and a resident I did not know explained the procedure to me at a speed appropriate for somebody who has never seen a needle, and Nelson stood by the door with his hands behind his back and did not correct her once.

The Same Hall

It came back benign. A papilloma. They took it out in the summer, and I get imaged every six months now, which means twice a year I lie down on a table on the other side of a room I have worked in for twenty-three years.

That is not the end of anything and I refuse to write it as one.

What happened that fall was that I got angry, and it was not gratitude going bad, it was the real thing, and I still stand behind most of it. I told him that a man who watches you for three weeks and files it and waits is doing to you the exact thing he did to Wilber, and that the only difference between the two is which way the finding came out. I used the word surveillance and I meant it. He did not defend himself, which I have since learned does not mean he agreed, and which is not fair to anybody, and we did not talk properly for a while, and I slept at my mother’s twice and told her the reason was the drive.

Here is what I have not been able to get apart, and I have had a year at it.

It is one process. The thing that ran eight months on his brother and produced a closed door is the same thing that ran nineteen days on me and produced a man who knew which morning I stopped swimming. Not two traits with one of them good. One habit, aimed. Every account of it I have found describes the shape accurately and not one of them will tell you which way it comes out, because which way it comes out is not a property of the shape, and I have gone back three times looking for the paragraph that splits them, and it is not there, and it is not going to be.

So here is what I go by now, having been on both ends of it inside the same year. His reasoning is not the test. His reasoning is usually better than mine, and that is the problem rather than the defense, because a man can be correct about you for eight months and you will still have been tried without notice. The test is whether the thing is reviewable. If you can get in before it closes, if there is a stretch where the answer is not fixed and you are allowed to be in the room while it is not fixed, then what you have is a slow man, and slow is workable, and slow is a great deal more than most people get. If the only thing that ever reaches you is the finished verdict, and it arrives whole every time, and nothing you ever said could have moved the outcome one inch, then you are not living with a rich interior. You are living in a court. Depth is not a defense in there, and no page describing anybody’s habits should ever be handed to you as one. It would read the same about a wife. I would not have taken a word of this in 2018, in that office, where I was the one holding the pen.

Wilber’s daughter is getting married in the spring. We are invited and Nelson has not said what we are doing. I have never told him what I saw on that screen before anybody said anything to me, and at this point I could not tell you what it would be for. Dowd retired.

Dinora turned seventy-five last month in the same hall off the feeder road, ninety people, the same speaker. Somewhere in the second hour a cousin’s husband found me by the drinks and nodded across at Nelson, who was standing against the wall by the cake table with a plastic cup of nothing in his hand, watching the room.

“Off in his own world,” he said. “Same as ever.”

I said, “Same as ever,” and went and got Dinora a chair.


The people in these essays are composites drawn from long observation. The theory is not.

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