ESFJ Women Careers: How’s the House

Contents
  1. The House
  2. A Reading
  3. 2015
  4. We Had a Sense of It
  5. The Time She Was Wrong
  6. Giving Her Credit
  7. The Grid
  8. The Memo
ESFJ women and career — the Consul

An ESFJ woman’s reading arrives whole and its derivation is not available, and an institution takes a claim seriously in proportion to the derivation attached to it. Hers has none, so it gets filed under the only other thing on offer, which is her. A finding heard as a feeling cannot be wrong, and what cannot be wrong cannot be right either.


In the spring of 2015 Roselyn Ahles told a room of eight people that we were going to lose the banquet department, and we did not, and I have spent this year working out what that sentence actually was.

We were in the executive committee meeting midweek, going through the forecast. Banquets were up. Labour was in line. The satisfaction scores were the best they had been in three years.

Roselyn said, “We’re going to lose banquets.”

Milburn Ott had the general manager’s job then. He asked what she meant.

“Six of the nine captains have stopped eating in the cafeteria. They’re eating in the loading dock. They started about three weeks ago and it’s all six, and Ynez says the same thing happened in housekeeping in 2011 before we lost eleven people in a month.”

Milburn asked whether anybody had complained.

“Nobody’s complained. That’s the thing I’m telling you.”

There was a discussion. Somebody said the scores were good. Somebody said the captains were tired because the convention calendar had been brutal. Milburn said we’d keep an eye on it.

And then Roselyn went and fixed it, over about six weeks, in a way I did not see at the time and have only reconstructed since, and we did not lose banquets, and there is no document anywhere in that building that says any of this happened.

Roselyn came to the Kinnard in 1994 at twenty-two, on the front desk. She has never worked in another building. She has been front office manager, director of rooms since 2006, and assistant general manager since 2013, and there has been no fourth step because there is no fourth step short of the one the management company fills from outside. She is a compact, quick, permanently in-motion woman who knows the name of every houseman and every one of their kids and is not doing a technique. She walks the building twice a shift and has for thirty-two years. She will interrupt a meeting to take a call from the laundry. Her laugh carries from the elevator bank, and she uses it on purpose, and she would tell you so.

The Kinnard is three hundred and forty rooms in Corvin, attached to the convention centre, built in 1988. An investor group owns it. A management company runs it under a contract, and there have been three of those since I have been involved, and above all of that sits a brand that supplies the flag, the reservation system, and about nine hundred pages of standards.

I am the asset manager for the ownership group. I have been on this asset since 2008, which makes me the only person connected to that hotel who has watched all three management companies come and go.

Here is the sentence about Roselyn Ahles that has been said in ownership calls, in management company reviews, and by me, more often than I would like to count.

She’s usually right about that kind of thing.

That sentence has been in the file for two decades and it has never once been followed by a number.

The ownership group is selling. The buyer’s operator will do its own assessment of the executive team, and I have been asked for a memo on the incumbents, and the memo is due in three weeks, and I have written her paragraph four times.

Preston Ide has had the general manager’s job since 2018 and is about to get a regional one. He has one line for closing an item.

“Roselyn’s got a good feel for the house.”

The House

There is a number for everything in a hotel except the one thing that decides all the others.

Occupancy, average rate, revenue per available room, revenue per occupied room. Flow-through. Gross operating profit and the margin on it. Labour as a percentage, hours per occupied room, overtime as a percentage of hours. Minutes to check in. The satisfaction index, broken out nine ways. Out-of-order rooms, out-of-service rooms, the maintenance backlog. Banquet cover counts and cost of goods. There are, I once counted, about a hundred and forty measures reported monthly on a hotel of this size, and I have built my whole career on knowing what they mean.

Not one of them measures the state of the house.

By which I mean the actual condition of the four hundred people who work in that building — whether they are talking to each other, whether the shifts trust the shift before them, whether a supervisor has lost his room, whether the place is nine weeks from coming apart.

That is the largest single driver of every number I listed, and it is nothing like a soft consideration. A house that comes apart takes eighteen months and about two million dollars to put back together, and I have watched it happen at two other assets, and both times the scores were fine right up until they were not.

The night audit runs at three. The day closes, the reports print, the numbers get struck, and every single thing that happened in that building which is not a number is simply gone. Wilford Nagy has run that audit at the Kinnard since 1998 and has a system involving a particular chair and a particular thermos and has trained nine people to do it and none of them stayed.

I have slept in something in the region of nine hundred hotel rooms. I cannot sleep in my own bed without a television on.

A Reading

What Roselyn does is not intuition, and calling it intuition is how this industry has avoided looking at it for a hundred years.

She takes a reading.

She walks the building — the dock, the laundry, the back of the banquet kitchen, the desk at shift change — and she comes back with the state of four hundred people, and the reading is specific. It is not morale is low. It is six of the nine captains, three weeks, the loading dock, and here is the 2011 comparison.

That last part is the calibration, and it is the reason the reading is a reading and not a mood. She has stored what this house looked like before every previous time it broke. She knows what the eleven-person month in housekeeping looked like from underneath, three weeks out, and she is comparing against it.

I worked beside that for eighteen years without ever asking how the reading arrived.

The reading arrives whole and the derivation is not available.

She cannot show her work, because there is no work. There is a faculty and an output. And an institution accepts a claim in proportion to the derivation attached to it — that is what a business case is, that is what a variance analysis is, that is the entire architecture of how a company decides what is true. A claim with no derivation cannot be classified as evidence, so it gets classified by the only other thing on offer, which is the person who said it.

Which is how six of the nine captains have stopped eating in the cafeteria becomes Roselyn’s got a good feel for the house.

I walked with her once, in 2014, because I had asked what she did on those walks.

We went through the dock, the laundry, the back corridor by the banquet kitchen, and out to the desk. It took nineteen minutes. She said good evening to about thirty people and had actual exchanges with six of them and none of it looked like anything.

Back in the office I asked what she had got.

“The overnight houseman’s wife had the baby, so that’s covered for six weeks and then it isn’t. Second-shift laundry is one person short and nobody’s told anybody because Ynez is covering it herself. And the new desk kid is going to leave.”

I asked how she knew about the desk kid.

“He didn’t look up.”

I wrote none of that down. The houseman’s leave became a problem in the seventh week. Ynez did burn out, in 2016. The desk kid gave notice inside a month.

Barton Culp ran food and beverage at our asset two states over and did the same thing. What got said about Barton, in ownership calls I was on, was that he had his ear to the ground and that we should listen to him on the union question. Same faculty. Same absence of derivation. It arrived as intelligence. What the identical reading buys a man on that committee, and what everybody spares him instead, runs on the page next to this one.

Four hundred people. Nine on the executive committee. Three are women.

2015

I know what she did about banquets because I asked her this spring, a decade on, and she remembered all of it and had never told anybody.

She found out that the executive chef had changed the way the captains’ schedules were posted — from a printed sheet in the cafeteria to a system that required a login, on a terminal in the chef’s office, which meant that six people who had been reading their schedules over lunch for a decade were now standing in a doorway asking the chef’s assistant. Two of them did not have email. Another could not read the screen without glasses he did not wear at work.

So they stopped going to the cafeteria, because the cafeteria was now the place you found out you did not know your own schedule.

She did not raise it with the chef, who was three months in and touchy, and she did not raise it in the committee, where she had already raised the reading and been told we would keep an eye on it. She had the printed sheet reinstated by asking the chef’s assistant to post it as a courtesy for the banquet office, which sounded like an administrative convenience and cost nobody anything, and she took two of the captains to lunch off property, and she got the chef to hand out the schedule himself for three weeks, which she framed as a way for him to meet his own team.

Six weeks. Nobody left.

I asked Ynez Bacalso about it this spring, because I wanted to know whether the 2011 comparison was real.

“It’s real,” she said. “We lost nine and then two more. It started with the bus stop.”

I asked what the bus stop had to do with it.

“They moved the employee entrance for the garage work and it added three minutes and the connection didn’t hold anymore.” She was folding something the entire time she talked to me. “Nobody said anything. They just started being late and then they stopped coming.”

I asked whether anybody had worked that out at the time.

“Roselyn worked it out,” Ynez said. “After.”

The 2015 turnover number in banquets came in at fourteen per cent, which is excellent, and I reported it to ownership as evidence that the management company’s retention initiative was working.

There was a retention initiative. It was a referral bonus.

I have the deck. It has a photograph of a smiling housekeeper on the cover and it cost the management company nothing and I presented it to my own committee with a straight face.

We Had a Sense of It

In 2016 the ownership group had to decide whether to fund a nine-million-dollar rooms renovation or sell.

The renovation math was marginal. The comparable set was softening and the convention centre was talking about an expansion that might or might not happen. I ran the model four ways and it came out inside the noise every time.

What decided it was a conversation in a hallway.

Roselyn said, in about ninety seconds, that if we displaced four floors for nine months with the crew we had, we would lose the housekeeping supervisors, because two of them were already carrying the other two and the section assignments during a renovation would fall on the same two, and that if we lost those two we would not get them back and the house would not recover inside three years.

I had modelled the displacement. I had not modelled that.

We phased it differently. Two floors at a time, over eighteen months, at a higher cost and a lower disruption. It worked. Both supervisors are still there. The asset is worth what it is worth today substantially because we did not break the house in 2017, and I am about to sell it.

When the ownership committee asked me how we had landed on the phasing, I said we had a sense of what the operation could absorb.

We. Had a sense of it.

I have gone back and found the memo. It is three pages. The phasing recommendation is in the second paragraph on page two. Her name does not appear in it, and I did not leave it out to take anything — I left it out because the assistant general manager thinks we’d lose the supervisors is not a sentence you put in a capital memo, and modelled crew impact indicates elevated attrition risk in housekeeping supervision is, and I did not have the second one, so I wrote a first-person plural and moved on.

That is the transaction. It has happened, by my count, at least a dozen times in eighteen years, and every single time I was the beneficiary and every single time it was easier.

The Time She Was Wrong

In 2019 Preston hired a food and beverage director from out of state.

Roselyn said, in a committee meeting, that he would not last ninety days, because he had spent the first week reorganising the office and had not been in the kitchen after four o’clock, and that the sous chefs had already worked out that he did not want to be there at night.

He lasted two years and left for a better job and did fine.

She was wrong. Flatly, publicly wrong, in a meeting, on the record such as it is.

And here is what happened afterward.

Nothing.

Nobody brought it up. Not at ninety days, not at a year, not ever. Not to needle her, not to correct the file, not in an evaluation. I have gone looking. There is no reference to it anywhere, and I cannot find a single instance, in eighteen years, of anybody at that hotel returning to something Roselyn said — to confirm it, to dispute it, or to hold her to it.

It took me until this spring to understand what that means.

A thing that cannot be wrong cannot be right either. Nobody scored the miss because nobody had scored any of the hits, because none of it had ever been entered as a claim. Twenty-five years of the most accurate instrument in that building, and the accuracy is not merely unrecorded — it is unrecordable, because a mood cannot have a hit rate.

She has never once been wrong in a way that cost her anything, and she has no record of ever having been right.

I put that to her, carefully, in the spring. She heard all of it out and then said the only thing there was to say. “What would you have written down?”

Giving Her Credit

I tried to fix it in the spring, in a meeting, and I would like to describe exactly how that went.

We were reviewing the labour plan for the convention season and somebody raised the banquet captains, who are now nine again after a bad stretch.

And I said — deliberately, having planned it in the car — that this was worth noting, because Roselyn had called the 2015 problem nine weeks before anything appeared in a number, and that she had been right, and that we should think about how we capture that kind of read going forward.

There was a pause of about two seconds.

Preston said, “She’s got great instincts.”

Marisela Ocampo, the regional from the management company, said, “That’s the value of tenure, right?”

Somebody made a joke about the loading dock.

And then Roselyn herself said, “It was Ynez who noticed it first,” which was not true, and which I now believe was the only move available to her, and we moved on to the labour plan.

I sat there and understood that I had attempted a transaction the institution has no account for. There is no field. You cannot book it. I had tried to give a person credit for a finding, and the room converted it into a compliment about her character in under two seconds, and every person in that room, myself included, experienced the conversion as normal.

The Grid

When the third management company came in, in 2018, they assessed the executive committee.

It was a real process and I would not call it cynical. Interviews, a work-styles battery, references. Everybody sat for it over two days at a hotel two hours away, which is the kind of thing that happens to people who work in hotels.

The output was a grid. Nine names, two axes, three boxes: retain, develop, transition. Ownership got a copy because our management agreement entitles us to one. Nobody at the Kinnard has ever seen it. It has sat in a file of mine for eight years.

Each name on that grid has four letters printed under it.

Roselyn’s say ESFJ.

The note in her cell reads: Strong culture carrier. Retain. Not a succession candidate.

Eight words. Written by a company that stopped managing that hotel in 2023 and does not exist under that name anymore.

The battery came with a participant packet and the useful material is at the back, past the profile paragraph, which is about warmth and responsibility and reads like something off a greeting card. The back explains that four letters are a ranking: the habit in front, the one behind it, and a tail pair that only show up when a person goes looking for them, which takes deciding to and takes a while. Which of them sits where, for her, gets worked through under the type’s own heading, drawn from the sixteen that battery was cut from.

In front is the group’s condition, taken straight, as a fact about one object. Not each person; the house. And in her case it comes back specific — six of nine, three weeks, the dock — because the second habit is a stored comparison. She has the shape of every previous time this building broke, and the reading is that shape recognised early.

That is a measurement. It is taken with the only instrument capable of taking it, and there is no other instrument, and the hundred and forty numbers I get every month do not include it.

The tail pair are what would have made it count.

One is the faculty that builds a derivation after the fact — that takes a finished conclusion and reverse-engineers the three observations and the inference chain, so that what arrives in the room is not we’re going to lose banquets but a case with a spine in it. She cannot do that. I have watched her try, twice, and what comes out is more examples, which is not the same thing and does not work.

The second missing one reframes — it finds the category the room already respects and puts the finding inside it, so that it lands as risk, or as cost, or as a schedule problem, rather than as a report on how people are feeling. She cannot do that either.

So the most accurate instrument in that building produced, for thirty-two years, outputs that the building had no way to receive. Not because anybody dismissed her. Because the derivation is what makes something enter the record, and hers arrives without one, and a claim without a derivation gets filed under the speaker.

This part is mine, since the phrase we had a sense of it was mine. If your company is being sold or is changing operators, the assessment that decides who stays is a document about you that you will almost certainly never see, and it is worth asking in writing, before you sit for it, what it will be used for, who receives it, and whether you may have a copy — the answers are informative whichever way they go. And if the things you say in meetings are never recorded as recommendations, write one down per quarter. Not many. One, carrying a date and a stated expectation, sent to a person. A remark cannot be scored and a claim on paper can, and thirty years of unscorable accuracy is worth exactly what this piece describes. Temperament has no part in any of that. The people for it are your supervisor first, then whichever channel exists where you work for complaints, then an attorney of your own.

The battery’s own documentation says the styles result is intended for development conversations and should not inform selection or succession decisions, and that a person who completes it again a month later comes out in a different box something like a third of the time.

It was printed in the succession grid, on the same page as the words not a succession candidate, by people who had met her twice.

The Memo

The memo is due in three weeks and it will be read by an operator who has never met any of these people. It is a page and a half. Nine names. Two sentences each.

Two things came unstuck this year.

The committee meeting in 2015. That one has gone into two industry dinners as a story about a woman who knows her hotel — six of the nine captains have stopped eating in the cafeteria — and it always gets the laugh, and the laugh is affectionate. What that room contained was a finding, with a sample, a time series, and a control from 2011, delivered by the only person in the building who could take that measurement, to eight people who did not have the category to put it in. And then she went and solved it alone with a printed sheet and two lunches, and I booked the result as a referral bonus.

Then the hallway in 2016. My own version has always been a good decision made with good inputs. The input was a person. The decision protected eleven million dollars of value and my name is on the memo that made it and hers is not on anything, and the reason is that I had a sentence for what a model says and no sentence at all for what a reading says, and rather than invent one I used the first-person plural.

What the grid had no space for. She has smoked on that loading dock since the nineties and has given three different people three different dates she quit; she has lent money to people on that floor since the nineties and does not appear to keep track of it; and she has been, about exactly one former general manager, capable of a flatness so complete that I have watched two people change the subject to get out from under it.

I asked Roselyn what she wanted me to say about her.

She thought about it for a while, which she does not usually do.

“Say I know the building.”

I said everybody says that about her and that it has not got her anything.

“I know,” she said. “But it’s the true thing.”

Sione Fifita, who is twenty-six and has been in rooms for three years, asked me last week what he should be doing to get on a track.

I told him the numbers, which is true, and I told him to walk the building twice a shift, which is also true.

He asked what he was supposed to be looking for.


The people in these essays are composites drawn from long observation. The theory is not.

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